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Post by turnaround89 on Jan 15, 2008 16:42:19 GMT -5
the coilover shocks you mentioned above i have them in the back of my rally super beetle. they are very stiff and have great response for pushing the tires back down to the dirt. They are not the most comfortable things to drive on while on the road, but work great for the rear end of my rally super. If you want a shock that will keep your tires on the ground, these should work. However you may have a lighter rear end then i do(i don't know if this is true just a guess). I have a 1600 dual port in the rear plus the transmission so that pushes down on the shock. Maybe your driveshaft and differential will work in a similar manner. but, with all that aside, i like them for racing off road and think they will work for your application. I am 18 years old and its cool to see someone around my age going into this much custom work on a vw. keep it up. i thought i did pretty well with my rally super but this surpasses mine by miles, i am still not completely done with the car but almost there.
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Post by hellraiser on Jan 15, 2008 17:18:46 GMT -5
the coil overs i agree it will be a stiff and rough ride, you would have to put it on the softest level because a vw transaxle and motor weigh arround 400-500lbs and as for the rear end, that is un-sprung weight, anything that is above the suspension is sprung weight (the suspension holds this weight up) and everything under the suspension is un-spring (is not supported by the suspension) so as for weight in the rear, all you have is the frame and the body. PS. im also 18 and i though i would be the youngest one on here but i guess not lol
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Post by V8 Super Beetle on Jan 15, 2008 17:32:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the complement turnaround89! If I do run these I would keep them at their lowest setting. I've heard of people running stiffer springs in the back incases where you're car will do a wheelie. All the weight of the car is being held up by the springs at that point during a launch, but for just cruising I could see how it wouldn't be too comfy with the stiff coilovers. I'm trying to build a pro-street bug so they might not work if that's the case. I might try them just to see. They're not too expensive and if they're not what I'm looking for I'll just sell them on ebay. I'm 26. Were you saying I'm around the same age as you? I know Hellraiser is.
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Post by V8 Super Beetle on Jan 16, 2008 10:19:29 GMT -5
Here are some pics of what's left of the trunk area after cutting the rest away. This was as close as I could get to the body mounts without cutting them away. The distance between each side is 24". That should be enough? If not I'll just remove a few more inches. I would've done that but it was a pregnant dog cutting through all that metal with the sawzaw. Maybe a job for a cutting torch? Which I don't have. Here are the complete spindles, steering box, steering linkage, and rear end I got from my trip to the junkyard. These parts are from a chebby S-10. The rear end and a nice little mess from the power steering box. Nothing a little soap, water and a scrub brush can't take care of. The body sitting up on some blocks for mocking up. Next thing to do is to set the motor on some blocks to mock up where it'll sit and to make sure I've got enough room for everything. Then I'll build a mock up frame out of 2x4 wood before building the steel frame.
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Post by turnaround89 on Jan 17, 2008 1:54:20 GMT -5
Must have read hellraisers response and thought it was yours about the age thing. Are you going to be driving the car on the street or is it mainly for drag racing? If you do either, the only thing i would suggest would be(if you can find them) would be to try to put disc brakes in the back, just my opinion, they stop my super beetle extremely quick and work a lot better then drums in the ran. You will probably have a lot more weight that you will be moving around after you build the frame and everything so disc brakes may help, but the brakes came off of an s-10, so they could work, if they stopped an s-10, they should stop a bug. Looks great so far, keep it up.
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Post by hellraiser on Jan 17, 2008 23:37:50 GMT -5
i agree, i would try and get disk brakes for the rear just for the simple fact that it will stop you alot faster. you should be able to use any five lug chevy disk brakes and just make mounts for them.
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Post by turnaround89 on Jan 17, 2008 23:51:50 GMT -5
I really like seeing all these projects going on. this site is awesome. I think after i finish my rally super beetle i might have to build one of these. I think i would go the same route that v8superbeetle is going with the s-10 blazer chassis. How loud on the inside of the car do you think it will be? And is there anyway to run heat into the bug? where i live it is about 4 degrees out and i would drive the car everyday and heat would be nice. think there is any possible way to do this?
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Post by hellraiser on Jan 18, 2008 0:17:08 GMT -5
you could always make a custom exhaust kinda like a stock bug and run an electric blower, or run a heater core.
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Post by turnaround89 on Jan 18, 2008 1:13:29 GMT -5
The heat would be the last of my worries. But how loud is it inside a bug with a v8? My flat floor 1600cc shakes the car. I have dynamat in the car and it helps but you still here the engine very clearly. I still have to put the rear seat and carpet in the car but i hope the engine is a lot quieter. Hellraiser, didn't you say you wanted to make a sleeper, that sounds awesome. How do you plan to run the exhaust v8superbeetle and hellraiser?
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Post by V8 Super Beetle on Jan 18, 2008 11:09:42 GMT -5
I was thinking about using the S-10 chassis, but hellraiser is the member that's using the full S-10 chassis. I'm just using parts from an S-10 cause they're many available at the junkyard, parts are fairly inexpensive and it's easy to get replacement parts such as brakes and whatnot at your local auto store.
I'll eventually convert it to rear discs, maybe even a rear with posi too. Right now I'm just trying to get everything I need to get it together and running, then I'll update little things along the way.
Mine will be a daily driver too but I do a lot of freeway driving here in Houston and everyone drives like they're a NASCAR driver, LOL! Good braking / fast stopping is important but I'm not going to be doing over 55-70 much unless on the freeway or on a closed strip. Even then, freeway driving during rush hour is bumper to bumper so everyone putts along. I'll just keep my distance back.
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Post by turnaround89 on Jan 18, 2008 13:34:58 GMT -5
Your really ambitious building your own chassis, when you build the chassis and everything works right is there anyway you would be willing to sell the plans with dimensions and such so that someone like me could build one and also build there own chassis at the same time. Cant wait to see more pictures and progress
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Post by hellraiser on Jan 18, 2008 14:15:34 GMT -5
u know v8superbeetle, selling a good set of plans for a v8 bug chassis could make you some money, cuz most places want like $100.00.
as for turnaround89 i have a 69 chevy truck and i dont know if you have ever riden in an older truck but there pretty noisy, what im doing and what alot of people do to older vehicles is use a rubberised paint kinda like rino liner in the engine bay, floor boards, and under the vehicle. then put sound dedener on the floor boards and it sould cut down alot of noise and it will help keep it cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter cuz it helps hold in heat and a/c, and keeps the outside temp out.
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Post by V8 Super Beetle on Jan 18, 2008 14:31:59 GMT -5
I plan to run the exhaust dual. Either with separate flowmaster 40 series mufflers, or a single 40 series dual in dual out muffler. I want the exhaust pipes on mine to exit in the stock location like this photo. Here's the muffler I was talking about, dual in dual out.
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Post by V8 Super Beetle on Jan 18, 2008 14:55:22 GMT -5
Like hellraiser was saying, you could build custom heat collectors around the exhaust and have perhaps a small fan blow the air into the car. I'm sure you could get it quiet with all that hellraiser mentioned and some quiet mufflers.
Depending on how much work I put into the chassis design, I might sell them very cheap or just post them for free? Hmmm....I'll have to think about that one. I'm trying to design it so you can use just inexpensive parts from the junkyard, like the use of leaf springs and S-10 OEM stuff, instead of use the Mustang II front end and whatnot.
I'm sure my current design will change some. I'm hoping to start mocking up the frame with 2x4 lumber soon. If all goes well and there's not too many changes I'll get into building the chassis. I'll keep everyone posted.
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Post by hellraiser on Jan 18, 2008 17:30:32 GMT -5
ya my design was simple but i think yours will take alot less work and man hours to do. your chassis is very simple and i do like the idea of using oem parts cuz the mustang front end kits arent cheep lol, and i lost alot of material out of my body going arround that wide ass frame, but with your design it sould fit over nicely.
im thinking of mounting a stock exhaust in the back just for looks and run cut outs so i can run quiet packs and then when i want i can open them up to strait pipes
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