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Post by V8 Super Beetle on Jul 1, 2010 8:40:20 GMT -5
You may have to buy a whole S10. Here's one for $350. You can just part it out until you're left with just the frame. You can also use the master cylinder, gas tank and what not from it. statesboro.craigslist.org/pts/1795242547.html
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Post by matt123 on Jul 1, 2010 16:40:16 GMT -5
I havent gotten it on craigslist yet but i put some parts on there a while ago and nothin. ive heard of making the 2 bolt into a 4 but i havent done much research on it yet. and here are my plans for the engine...
1 id really like to get at least 350+ hp out of it. 2 it HAS to run off pump gas. theres no way i can afford to fill it up with racing fuel and drive it around so thats a must. 3 reliability, which is another reason im going with a 350, and the parts are cheep.
really its all the same stuff everyone else wants i guess but its all just gonna take a while for the funds to be there.
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Post by murphytj on Jul 1, 2010 17:40:28 GMT -5
I havent gotten it on craigslist yet but i put some parts on there a while ago and nothin. ive heard of making the 2 bolt into a 4 but i havent done much research on it yet. and here are my plans for the engine... 1 id really like to get at least 350+ hp out of it. 2 it HAS to run off pump gas. theres no way i can afford to fill it up with racing fuel and drive it around so thats a must. 3 reliability, which is another reason im going with a 350, and the parts are cheep. Why don't you save and buy a new shortblock from a GM supplier and be done with it? As far as running regular gas, you may have a problem. A 350 that is rated at 330 gorse for wexample with a 4.00 bore and 3.48 stroke with 1 9.1:1 compression has a recommended fuel of 92 octane. I know as that is the engine I have. really its all the same stuff everyone else wants i guess but its all just gonna take a while for the funds to be there.
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Post by 70fastback on Jul 1, 2010 17:52:33 GMT -5
350 hp can be done on either...no need splaying anything. Not to mention those splay caps are pricey. Pump gas will be easy at 350 hp. As murphy said you could buy a crate motor...it can be cheaper. Although I would have no problem running that motor on 89 octane. If you want to keep "pump gas" make sure its under 9.5:1 compression (depending on your octane levels there.)
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Post by matt123 on Jul 1, 2010 21:31:31 GMT -5
how much max hp can i realistically hope for on pump gas? if i bore it out to a 383? ive heard from a few people that its really around the same price to build either.
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Post by V8 Super Beetle on Jul 2, 2010 13:28:06 GMT -5
Yeah, no need to splay the caps at that power rating, but if you wan't to build a sledgehammer out of a 2 bolt, that would be the way to go. You can build an engine cheaper than buying a crate engine. Building an engine is the fun part. ;D It's pretty much the same price to build a 383 as it is to build a 350 if you're starting with JUST a block. Otherwise, buying a 350 short block would be cheaper. A 383 is a little more difficult to build cause you have to clearance the block and rods to compensate for the large stroke crankshaft. You can easily get 350 hp, heck you can get 400 hp, and run on pump gas. The key to running off of pump gas is the Dynamic compression ratio, not to be confused with static, and a proper quench / squish of .035 - .045. Read more about what quench is here if you don't know. racingsecrets.com/article_racing-10.htmlI highly suggest Vortec heads. Vortecs are the best flowing production head GM made, they're cheap and reliable. Here's a 410 hp dyno proven build I loosely based my 383 on and the cost to make it happen. This build is a real torque monster. This is assuming you can find a short block with little wear that only needs a light hone and cleaning. 350 short block - $200-$300 ARP connecting rod bolts - $53.46 Machine work to freshen up block - $300 - $400 depending on shop and location (boil block, magnaflux, rod resizing, cylinder honing, have decks milled to zero, install of new cam bearing and plugs. If the short block) GM Vortec heads - $329.95 x 2 = $659.90 www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-12558060/Upgrade valve springs with, Lunati springs - $59.95 www.summitracing.com/parts/LUN-73943/Isky Camshaft #201278 - $129.95 www.summitracing.com/parts/ISK-201278/Lifters - $48 www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-HT817/Gm Self-Aligning Rocker arms - $61.95 www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-12495490/FelPro head gaskets, .039 - 13.95 x 2 = $27.90 www.summitracing.com/parts/FEL-7733PT2/Weiand Stealth Vortec intake - $161.95 www.summitracing.com/parts/WND-8151/750 cfm carb of your choice. Here's an Edelbrock - $309.95 www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-1411/The build calls for 1 5/8" long tube headers, but since you on a budget go with these. Hedman S10 shorty headers - $165.95 www.summitracing.com/parts/HED-69520/Hei distributor - $89.95 www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-850001R/Now I didn't list all the little stuff like oil pump, pump rod, dist wires, head botls, oil pan, etc. Just what you really need to make the 410 hp numbers. All these parts together plus an additional $500 for bolts, gaskets, stater, alt, yada yada yada, is only at $2972 and thats rounding all the prices up. A crate motor will run you at least $4,000 and that's with about 300 hp.
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Post by 70fastback on Jul 2, 2010 22:58:23 GMT -5
how much max hp can i realistically hope for on pump gas? if i bore it out to a 383? ive heard from a few people that its really around the same price to build either. It really depends on what octane rating you have there. I would say you would be good around 450-500 depending on your tune skills. With a 383 you will need to bore it .030 and stroke the motor as well. This depends on the casting of the block. The blocks arent all the same. If you are going to buy a block I would look at the core shift of the block. Look at where the camshaft goes, it needs to be centered as much as possible. IF it is off it has excessive core shift and it will be weak. The problem with making a 383 is the water jackets are easy to hit. It can cost an extra 200 or more to have this done. The good side is this will add extra torque and better drivability to your combination. Do you know what transmission you are using?
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Post by matt123 on Jul 3, 2010 20:22:24 GMT -5
To be honest i havent really decided about the tranny yet? i really like a manual transmission but the 350 tranny ive heard is really reliable and relatively cheep
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Post by V8 Super Beetle on Jul 6, 2010 9:12:17 GMT -5
To be honest i havent really decided about the tranny yet? i really like a manual transmission but the 350 tranny ive heard is really reliable and relatively cheep The thing about a manual is foot space.
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Post by Mock1racer on Jul 6, 2010 10:38:22 GMT -5
See, for $1500 you could just get mine, and still run it on 93 octane and get 400 HP all day long. ;D I'll see about finding the cam specs for ya and maybe snap some shots.
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Post by V8 Super Beetle on Jul 6, 2010 15:31:35 GMT -5
See, for $1500 you could just get mine, and still run it on 93 octane and get 400 HP all day long. ;D I'll see about finding the cam specs for ya and maybe snap some shots. That's a good deal. ;D
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Post by matt123 on Jul 6, 2010 20:44:15 GMT -5
It is a great deal. i just dont have that much money to spend on any thing right now. but id rather build an engine myself then buy one thats already built no offense. especially sense im going though all the work of building this thing. i appreciate all your willingness tho. and right now i think that i need to be saving my money for a frame so i can get that rollin. do you kno anything else about that s10 frame you said you found mock1?
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Post by Mock1racer on Jul 7, 2010 6:28:09 GMT -5
do you kno anything else about that s10 frame you said you found mock1? Accutally its the whole truck and the guy wants more than $350 for it cause he CLAIMS it still runs, doesnt look like it though. The one Matt found you on craigslist looks like the deal, right down the street from you. For $350, You could sell the stuff you dont need and scrap the rest and probably make some $. ;D
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Post by Mock1racer on Jul 7, 2010 6:31:15 GMT -5
Just from looking at the pic of it the hood, fenders and bumper could bring $300, the bed if it aint rotton could grab another $100-$200. Doors are another money maker to the right buyer. Might want to go and at least have a look-see.
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Post by V8 Super Beetle on Jul 7, 2010 8:52:50 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I was saying. Parting it out might make the truck pay for itself. I know it's a pain to find people who want the stuff, but if you make an offer they can't refuse the parts will be gone quick.
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